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Monday, May 29, 2006

A Response to Comments About Divorce

There were two comments posted recently that objected to my position on divorce, and I would like to respond to those objections here, for the benefit of others who might have the same or similar thoughts. I also want to say that I appreciate the person who took the time to post his or her thoughts on the site, and I am grateful for your thoughtful comments. You are one who evidently is familiar with this debate, and I commend you for your informative arguments. Nevertheless, let me address your two thoughts, as much as I am able.

Jesus’ ‘First Answer to the Question of Divorce’
Let me say that I did, in fact, deal with the passage that Jesus quoted from Genesis 2. I did not bother to deal with it again in detail, because of my having already done it. Nevertheless, I concede that one may have misconstrued my exposition as rushing over the obvious. I think the context of the entire passage of Jesus’ words, however, is to be considered as his complete answer to the divorce question. If the conversation had ended at verse 6 then this would not be an issue, but the problem is that it continues. One could conjecture that Jesus had given his complete answer before the Pharisees’ second question, or they could surmise that he was interrupted and was not, in fact, finished, but all of that is really beside the point. The point is that he said more, and it doesn’t make much sense for Jesus to change the subject from marriage to betrothal at this point in the conversation. The question then arises, how do we know that this is talking about marriage, as opposed to a betrothal? Although I resist the urge to be overly dogmatic, there are several indicators in the passage: (1) The common word for marriage is used throughout the passage. (2) Although marriage and the betrothal are similar, the words for them are not synonymous (see Matthew 1:18; Luke 2:5). (3) The two passages that Jesus alludes to (Genesis 2 and Deuteronomy 24) refer to marriage, not a betrothal. I know there are good men who disagree with this, but I am compelled by what appears to be the plain sense of the passage. I do want to conclude this response by saying, also, that even if one agrees that Jesus added the exception clause because of the wicked trickery of the Pharisees, then how does one explain the fact that the exception clause is clearly stated in Matthew 5, aside from any Pharisaical trickery?

Israel and the Church vs. God and Divorce
To answer the question at face value, I have two responses. (1) There is one chosen people of God in Scripture, not two. I believe that the church did not begin at Pentecost, but is comprised of all of God’s called throughout the ages. I won’t go into the biblical defense for this belief, at this time, sense I gather that this person is in no disagreement with me about this (I just spoke about this to our own congregation, so I will follow this up with an explanatory blog about that subject). (2) Although there is one people of God, there are distinctions between national Israel and spiritual Israel. A case in point would be Paul’s argument for this very thing in Romans 9:6b, which says: “For not all who are descended from Israel (national) are Israel (spiritual).” That whole chapter really makes that point clear. Another example is given in Romans 11:1-5: “Did God reject his people (spiritual Israel)? By no means! I am an Israelite (national) myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people (spiritual), whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah-how he appealed to God against Israel (national): ‘Lord, they (national Israel) have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me’? And what was God’s answer to him? ‘I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.’ So too, at the present time there is a remnant (spiritual) chosen by grace.” There are other Scriptures, but I think these demonstrate the point I am trying to make. Therefore, I do believe that God divorced national Israel, because of her adultery. Because I do believe that the church is Christ’s bride, I do not believe that God has or ever will divorce his true bride. The difference should be apparent to us, because there were many in national Israel who were not part of God’s true people, but there is no one in the true church of Christ who is not part of God’s true people, i.e. they are the same. I want to add, in conclusion to this, one important piece of information worth mentioning. Hosea records that God’s reason for divorcing Israel was adultery, not fornication. For me, personally, this is not that significant, except that this word is of extreme importance to those who hold to no divorce, because of the word fornication being used in Matthew, as opposed to adultery. If, however, God divorced Israel for adultery, then it would seem to indicate that He was married to them, rather than just betrothed. If that is the case, then, the argument, of course, seems to, at least, weaken.

Hope these responses help. Appreciate the thoughts on this important issue.

1 comments:

Anonymous said...

For the sake of time I want to just address a few issues here today.
I am in aggreement on the Israel and the Church being the same (true-spiritual israel that is).

But, the issue of betrothal is a way of understanding for us today. Not for the Jewish people throughout biblical history. The Jewish people were "MARRIED" during the betrothal period, simply meaning that they had not yet consummated their marriage sexually. Hence, Joseph wished to put mary away secretily". THEY WERE MARRIED but not yet consummated in sexual intercourse (or any other sex for that matter).So when I say betrothal, I don't mean an engagement like in our day, but rather unconsummated marriage! But, divorce was still necessary for Joseph to break off this marriage (in a betrothal period as we would understand it). So, divorce was necessary for the marriages that had not yet been consummated as well as the consummated, and it was still called adultery in both instances. So, the word pornea/fornication is not an issue for me. So, divorce in marital unfaithfulness could still be about uncomsummated marriages. There just is not enough in this passage or Deut 24 to conclude otherwise. I realize (no thanks to John Mac.) that God only has to say things once (refer you to J.M's commentary on Mt 5) in order for it to be true, -but that does not answer the dilemma of the absence of the exception clause in Mark and Luke -other than it sounds clever to say it-go johnny:)

So the question posed on the TRUE ISRAEL and the TRUE CHURCH which is Israel fullfilled, or realized, brings us to my point: Since God divorced National Israel, my question is- did they consummate the way we shall at the second advent? (I think and hope I know your answer to this) If they didn't, then they were married, but not consummated which required a divorce for adultery (since they were married but not consummated). so, if this is true and reasonable, then God divorcing Israel is not really a justification for divorce between married and consummated husband and wife where adultery is present. At least it doesn't seem to justify it in my estimation.

I agree that this is a toughy, but I would rather caution on the side of no divorce, than on a side (like that of the pharisees)that leads to an epidemic of adultery.

I can't get past Mark 10: The exception isn't there, and yet there are at least 2 places where Mark could have recorded it for us. Once is understandable, but twice! it is missing.

First one is where the pharisees interrupt (as you suggest- although the word interrupt is in the NIV and "While Speaking" is in other translations of the bible, I am struggling with why didn't Matthew say "the pharisees interrupted Jesus", it is in other places but not there, so I can't take your route)there is no mention of the so-called interruption and not mention of the exception clause.

Secondly, the disciples try to further their undertanding of Jesus' words and there He simply says- Divorce leads to adultery (if they remarry). this seems to dismantle both your argument to divorce and especially to remarry.

At least you have the great expositor J.M. on your side....ha, ha (TOGETHER FOR THE GOSPEL)
For me, the struggle is more w/ remarriage after divorce. I see that scripture forbids it. And then I work back from there. Maybe that is wrong, but that is where the argument stems from for me is on the practical side. Few cases that I have been close to, has divorce been about infidelity. usually it is more like money, happiness, and he/she ate my ice cream (just kidding). Divorce in our day, like that of Jesus' was too easy and people embraced it quickly. It seems that Jesus in Matthew 5, esp. 19 was more addressing Adultery and no-fault divorce. In Mt 5 the context surrounding it is all about Adultery. And the emphasis of Jesus seems to be more about adultery rather than about writing out a certificate (for that is what the men were doing- focusing on no-fault divorce as long as you have some paper work filled out). The case of adultery for marrying the divorce person in both 5 and 19 seems to be that if the innocent party has not consummated this marriage (assuming that they are either a virgin or widowed from a previous marriage) then they could remarry because they would not be commiting adultery. But, for those who have consummated their marriages then if they divorce (which would probably lead to remarriage-that seems to be where Jesus is heading) then the remarrying person would be committing adultery because they had vowed to stay with the person (per God's design) until death. I know that there are still many questions to raise, but this doesn't seem so CREDULOUS:)

Later dude, looking forward to more discussion